Order of Scrum events

Question

Hello,
I was wondering about the order of scrum events.
Besides the daily stand-up meetings, which happens obviously every day, wouldn't it be better to have the Backlog Refinement before the Sprint Planning and without the product owner? Then include the Product owner in the Sprint Planning (or maybe divide it in two parts - consulting with product owner, and afterwards dividing the tasks), so the product owner can see how much effort the team estimates. (The product owner has to consider cost as well to prioritize items?)
Am I missing something, because it would sound more reasonable that way.
I am looking forward to any kind of answer.
Thanks

Matt Anthes-Washburn · Accepted Answer

Hi Felix,
There is no single right way to do Backlog Refinement, but yes, it should certainly happen before Sprint Planning. The team needs to get a better understanding of the work and to create an estimate, both of which are important for planning a sprint. 
Remember, the team is working together to come to a shared understanding, so the product owner is a vital part of Backlog Refinement. As a P.O., I often invite others who can contribute to a better understanding, such as designers who have worked on the story or folks from outside the team who need to coordinate with it (such as analytics).
As a product owner, I generally present a story for refinement by saying, "This is what we have so far." I encourage team members to help with the conditions of acceptance and challenge the story with things that might not have been considered. We want to reduce surprises down the road and have a better estimate of the work. If a story gets too gnarly, we break off a smaller story that will be easier to work with. 
Also, Backlog Refinement doesn't have to happen in one sitting. It's much easier to prepare the backlog for the next sprint when the team participates in refinement two or more times during the sprint. 
Does all that make sense? Does it answer your question?
Matt

Ted Sumner · Answer

I just finished the course this morning.  My understanding is that the Backlog is controlled by the project owner.  It is what makes the development order priorities.  Backlog refinement is refining an existing backlog.  The owner has to be involved because the owner is who makes the list and priorities.  Other members have input, but they cannot add and make changes to the backlog.
With regards to what makes sense to you, this is just a framework to organize adaptive development.  Each organization does it a little differently I would guess.

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Orden de eventos de Scrum

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